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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the hardest problems to solve so that all food could be grown without genetic modification, animals in cages or pesticides is that the end product, available at your neighborhood Amazon-Whole Foods Supermarket, is too expensive for a large portion of the population to afford, especially beyond our borders. All well and good if you can afford to dine a Chez-Chez run by the Star Chef du Jour, but when an affordable dinner is Chun King Chow Mein, one's standards tend to drop somewhat.
Who's going to pick up the tab?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peterm, you're not a hypocrite, just a realist... to the extent that's possible for anyone as far left as you are.

I haven't had a lot of exposure to the vegan/vegetarian crowd, but those I have met seem, generally, to be rather unhappy, snappish and judgmental. Exposure to the gateway meat, bacon, would probably improve their temperament.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If one switches from meat to the mighty bean as a protein source, the savings more than makes up the difference. Beans, whole grains, and vegetables, even when organically grown are half the price of any meat, dairy or fish. The "common man can't afford real food argument" doesn't hold up. It's more about education and making it available in the food deserts of urban and rural America.

Remember how the Republicans attacked Michele Obama? Good job, guys...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harari spends some time convincing his reader that animals -- well, mammals, at least -- have minds, and feelings, much more like our own than was once the consensus view -- and then gives us this:

"Today sows in industrial farms don't play computer games [at which they are remarkably adept]. They are locked by their human masters in tiny gestation crates, usually measuring six and a half by two feet. The crates have a concrete floor and metal bars, and hardly allow the pregnant sows even to turn around or sleep on their side, never mind walk. After three and a half months in such conditions, the sows are moved to slightly wider crates, where they give birth and nurse their piglets. Whereas piglets would naturally suckle for ten to twenty weeks, in industrial farms they are forcibly weaned within two to four weeks, separated from their mother and shipped to be fattened and slaughtered. The mother is immediately [artificially] impregnated again, and sent back to the gestation crate to start another cycle. The typical sow would go through five to ten such cycles before being slaughtered herself. In recent years the use of crates has been restricted in the European Union and some US states, but the crates are still commonly used in many other countries, and tens of millions of breeding sows spend their entire lives in them." (pp 82-3)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Remember how the Republicans attacked Michelle Obama? Good job, guys..."

Whtcha talkin' 'bout, Pete?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For her attempts to improve the food awareness, and the diets, of America's children, no doubt ? The thinly-veiled racism which afflicted the White House for eight years will not be assessed kindly by history, I imagine.

The New Yorker's Barry Blitt, bless him, got an early start at satirizing the reaction of some, which backfired:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/29981/original.jpg Too soon ?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there any attempt to stop her efforts from being implemented?

As for racism, I suppose one can convince oneself it's strictly a right-wing affliction, but that really doesn't fly, does it? Leftist multiculturalism has turned the ordinary black-white racial friction into multiracial, multiethnic chaos.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe we should return to good, old fashioned "ordinary black-white racial friction"?

On Michelle Obama: "Take her anti-obesity thing that she is on. She is on this kick, right. What she is telling us is she cannot trust parents to make decisions for their own children, for their own families in what we should eat. And I know I’m going to be again criticized for bringing this up, but instead of a government thinking that they need to take over and make decisions for us according to some politician or politician’s wife priorities, just leave us alone, get off our back, and allow us as individuals to exercise our own God-given rights to make our own decisions and then our country gets back on the right track."-Sarah Palin

Or, if you prefer:

"And in January, some conservatives even suggested that Obama was endangering people, blaming an increase in pedestrian deaths on the first lady’s campaign by saying that Americans were putting themselves at risk by walking more."

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/conservatives-heap-criticism-on-michelle-obamas-anti-obesity-campaign/

Michelle Obama started a White House vegetable garden, and was doing her best to raise awareness of obesity, diabetes, etc. There were no govt. mandates or programs, just an attempt to place the subject into the consciousness of Americans.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The black-white racism is as ordinary as history. It has been going on as long as European and Sub-Saharan African populations have interacted. There's nothing new about it at all. Multiculturalism is an admixture, compounding the problem.

So, no, there was no attempt to stop Michelle Obama's efforts. She may have been criticized from a political perspective, just as Michael Bloomberg was ridiculed for placing a limit on the amount of Coca Cola one could buy, but that amounts to two political parties taking shots at one another. Ho hum.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please explain your findings as to how and why multiculturalism has made racial matters worse (and for whom?).

Agree?: "Multiculturalism is an across-the-board assault on our Anglo-American heritage." -Patrick Buchanan

Old school ordinary black-white friction from Carl Paladino, the New York co-chair of Trump's presidential campaign:

Asked "What would you like to see go in 2017?" Paladino attacked the first lady in gender and racist terms:

“Michelle Obama. I’d like her to return to being a male and let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe where she lives comfortable in a cave with Maxie, the gorilla.”
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice. "And we wonder why they hate us . . ."

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/multiculturalism

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peterm, I did not say that multiculturalism makes racial matters, per se, worse; it compounds the problems of societal comity generally. It is not, as Pat Buchanan (a fan of Adolph) would have it, an attack specifically on white America, but an impediment to integration, including and beyond race, exactly the opposite of what those who implemented the pernicious nonsense intended it to be. Yet, in the face of proved failure, they press on. It isn't so much a threat to American society as it is a nettlesome distraction.

On the face of it, the idea of multiculturalism is not only benign, but an obviously good thing. But it has backfired. It has become something that no one intended it to be. Consider Canada: The French culture is so pronounced in Quebec that they have tried repeatedly to secede from the country and establish their own independent state. There are even laws that restrict signage in Quebec to the French language.

The parallel is inexact, but there is a similar stink to the current effort, born in the Bay Area, to convince California to secede. The impetus for that movement is more likely a desire to disentangle California from the basket of deplorables that populate the "fly-over" center of the country. It would allow the Nation of California to rewrite its Constitution, allowing Jerry Brown to be named President For Life. It won't pass. Perhaps if Frisco tried on its own to secede, they could get the rest of the state to go along.

Multiculturalism was intended to bring the country together, but it has exasperated the strains that pull it apart.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious, what happened with the five special elections held on Tuesday? Did that youngster in Georgia, What's-his-name, win?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations, Roderick! (Five for five recently is correct, but weren't there only two special elections held on Tuesday, June 20th?)

The Grand Old Party just revealed its Senate tax cut for millionaires and billionaires, who have been suffering so. (They prefer to call it a health care bill.)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/22/senate-health-care-bill-medicaid-and-taxes-would-slashed/103098556/?hootPostID=733148c5775e28d7f3b43dac2b531ed5

41 days later, we find that our reality tv star has no tapes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really, peterm, did you believe for a moment that there actually were any tapes? What President since Nixon has taped anything?
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